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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Jan 2015 - 01:57 Post title : Handlebars, grips and bar ends | | | I've been running stock bars with Deuce risers, but I still need a little more pullback/elevation. The Deuce risers also interfere with lifting tank and lack rubber mounts, so I'm going back to stock risers and changing handlebars.
Downloaded the latest available Flanders catalog (2011 PDF file), here: "http://www.sideroadcycles.com/HandlebarCatalog1-28-2011.pdf"
I've picked out a few 1" bars that should work with extended cable set - except that I'd like to keep stock grips, and therein lies the next problem.
Anybody know what the solid inserts within ends of stock bars are for? Would be easy enough to duplicate out of 3/4" solid rod, but it would help to know what they're about. Throttle side sticks out from bar a full inch under throttle, clutch side is flush but has a cut in bar that's 1 5/8" long. Something to do with heated grips?
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| | | Swagger | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,100 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 04 Jan 2015 - 14:03 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | | | Not that it's of any help but the Triumph accessory T bars are exactly the same.
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| | | pilotb747 | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 04/05/2011 | | Posts | : | 13 | | Location | : | Dallas, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Jan 2015 - 15:04 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | | | This is in the "for what its worth" category. Shortly after I bought my 2010 1600 SE I replaced the handle bars with a set for the 2010 America model. And yup, needed the extended cables. Stock bars caused me to lean too far forward, have no bend in my arms and have to keep holding my head up... Neck just couldn't take it. I also went with Rivco setback risers. Now I sit up straight and have a slight bend in my arms and no pain it my neck. I know, that's me and everyone is different and have different riding styles, etc,etc, and so forth. That's why it's in the "for what it's worth category". I've ridden in every state on the east coast of the US, except FL and half way around the Great Lakes in Canada and I have to say, I don't think I could have done it with the stock set up. Not concerned with being able or not able to have heated grips because I have heated gloves, jacket, pants and socks. And yup, nice. Have ridden in 16 deg F weather and been warm. The screw that holds the bar end weights on was slightly smaller, no big deal though, went to ACE and got a smaller stainless steel screw. Presto!. As for what those "solid inserts within ends of stock bars are for?" I don't know, just a guess here, but they do a good job of receiving the screw that holds the bar end weights on. Anyway, just ones man's opinion, everyone has one..
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Jan 2015 - 23:22 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: pilotb747) | | | Same problem here, decided it was by design. Stock setup has you in position for evasive action, the attitude you'd take if approaching a dangerous situation. Not very comfortable for long, but understandable.
Are you saying the America bars have these same slugs? Sure, they hold end weights, but why is throttle side sticking out a full inch, why the flats at matching angles and why cut a slot into clutch side? Has to be a purpose for all this, no?
Don't think I'll be cutting an inch off throttle end of new bars without a good reason.
BTW: Flanders redirects to SideRoadCycles Link and wouldn't you know it - dimensions for the bars I've picked from catalog are very different from specs listed on that site.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 10 Jan 2015 - 08:32 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | | | Nobody? Nothing to do with heated grips? Some other accessory I'm unaware of? Curiosity has got me.
Ordered some Flanders metric-knurled Roadglide® bars today - not ape hangers, not pull-backs, but a little of both. Look to be just right, according to my graph and measurements, should raise grips about 3.5 inches and bring them back 4 inches from stock bars (both on stock risers), 31.5-inch width. We'll see soon. Planning on pressing drilled/threaded inserts into ends for bar-end weights (flush, sans cut-outs and slots), probably steel.
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| | | Dags | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/11/2013 | | Posts | : | 468 | | Location | : | N.S.W, Australia |
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| | Posted : 16 Jan 2015 - 12:38 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | | | Mac, did you find any info on why there are the cutouts etc? 
Running T bars at present, but am contemplating chasing up some T type bars with less pull back. Not broomstick but maybe around 1-1.5" less.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Jan 2015 - 13:14 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: Dags) | | | Dags - sorry man - haven't got a clue. I've asked everybody but the dealer so far, top o'my list next time I get over to Reno. Gotta be a reason.
Been all night here installing original risers and new Flanders bars, and now that I've had a good look at the originals I see the inserts are actually thick-wall tubing with solid ends, apparently pressed in. Had a set of T-bars briefly, I know they have the same treatment.
Got an email from John Flanders regarding discrepancy in measurements, web site versus catalog, catalog was correct. Nice assortment of bars with metric knurls: "http://www.sideroadcycles.com/HandlebarCatalog1-28-2011.pdf" (sorry for the quotes, but PDFs aren't properly treated as links here). Worth a look. Shows 2011 stock T-Bird bars as 5" high, 34" wide, 11" pullback and 7" center.
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| | | mag10 | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 05/02/2010 | | Posts | : | 482 | | Location | : | Wisconsin, United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Jan 2015 - 14:10 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | | | I drilled out those plugs in the handle bars. they are mild steel and were quite easy to remove. Dill out the center and then collapse the core. As previous post mentioned they just are a place to attach the OEM end caps.
I pulled a bar snake thru the bars and then pressed in lead shot filled brass weights. ISO grips now cover the whole mess.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Jan 2015 - 03:07 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: mag10) | | | Decided to solve handlebar issue once and for all, so using Flanders specs (including those for the stock T-Bird 1600/1700 bars) I made a grid and plotted a few sets. All have metric knurls at risers, all are 1" diameter (using the stock risers), and all but one are currently available - the Six-Bend set has been discontinued (in purple).
Grid is in inches.
Orange set = stock bars on stock risers.
Gray square marked "present location" = stock bars using Deuce risers, a gain of about 2" up + 2" back.
Tallest bars (light blue) are Flanders 10" Mini-Apes.
After figuring out my ideal grip placement, I chose the Road Glide bars (in green).
FLT bars (dark blue) were close, but 11.5 width at center was a bit much.
Of course, handlebars are seldom mounted as shown - with top sections horizontal - but this grid gives some idea of what to expect.
Following instructions for installing Beach Bars (A9638026), removed tank, disconnected handlebar electrical cables and released connectors from mounting bracket under tank. Spinning connectors around and reattaching them to bracket gave me just enough extra electrical cable to the bars (thank you Triumph, nice touch!). Extended clutch and throttle cables worked out perfectly, too. The longer Pullback bars shown might exceed available slack in electrical cables, dunno - would be very close.
That leaves the front brake lines, which are proving to be difficult; extended brake line assembly still lacks about 3-inches of being long enough for Road Glide bars. In order to lengthen upper line to master cylinder, I'll be brazing a new 1/4" steel tube where original was drilled out and adding a flare fitting to connect a Goodridge hose with banjo at master cylinder. Best long-term solution I could think of.
Are these ape hangers? No. When canted back, the Road Glides are very comfortable and in just the right place for me (6'1"), well worth the trouble. Stock risers don't interfere with raising tank (like the Deuce risers did) and they're rubber-mounted, pull back is in the bars where it belongs. They look good, too, at least in my opinion. Will post pics when completed, you be the judge.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Feb 2015 - 02:44 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | | | FWIW, never did find out what those handlebar inserts are all about. Made my own inserts for new Flanders bars to receive stock 6mm screws from bar-end weights. Used .75" dia. tapered aluminum inside steel sleeves.
New bars are on, wired with stock grips and bar ends, extended clutch and throttle cables, all good until I found extended front brake line was still 2" short. Removed front brake manifold, cut off tube to master cylinder, drilled it out and brazed a new .25" dia. steel line with flare fitting to replace it. That allowed a 24" Goodridge brake line to master cylinder. Will post pics of new bars in situ when I can.
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| | | AZCactus | | Taranis | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,514 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 21 Feb 2015 - 04:00 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | | | Nice mod (u must be an engineer :)...look forward to seeing it at the western rally!
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| | | Swagger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,100 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 21 Feb 2015 - 08:39 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: AZCactus) | | | Nice work MotorMac very useful info there. What's the reason for having to remove the tank to do the install? Is it just a precautionary measure to protect it from damage? The reason I ask is that I still haven't fitted my Tbars ... haven't been arsed to do it yet ... too cold up to now and the bird is right at the back of the garage. Got to do it in the next couple of weeks as I'll start using that bike from mid March once all the residual salt and stuff is off the road.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Feb 2015 - 14:43 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: Swagger) | | | Engineer?! Just another biker, same as you AZ.
Swagger, tank had to come off to get at wiring. Triumph put an extra 6-inches of cable under there, needed all of it for these bars. Can't tell you how glad I was to find it, very nice of 'em to do that.
Go to Triumph Instructions and download the PDF for your T-bars while you're waiting, no need to remove the tank. I've got it here somewhere if you want it, too. Piece o'cake.
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| | | Swagger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,100 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 21 Feb 2015 - 15:59 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | | |
| ... Go to Triumph Instructions and download the PDF for your T-bars while you're waiting, no need to remove the tank. I've got it here somewhere if you want it, too. Piece o'cake ... |
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I got em thanks. I was pretty sure that I read on here somewhere that the tank could stay and that the suggestion to remove it was risk avoidance measure. Now I know, I'm happy again ... I'll get it done very soon now.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Apr 2015 - 02:10 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: AZCactus) | | | Finally got around to a shot of the new Road Glide (Flanders) bars.
Can't call 'em ape hangers since grips are still 6-inches below my shoulders. Chimp hangers?
Biggest problem was modifying brake manifold for 24-inch Goodridge line to master cylinder.
Location is about a mile from the town of Foresthill in Sierra Nevada mountains at a place called Worton's Market. You cross the American River Canyon on a 730-foot-high bridge from Auburn, was 75-80F today. :-)
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| | | edmontonstorm | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,054 | | Location | : | Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 20 Apr 2015 - 02:20 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | | | Any side pics? I was looking at putting the commander bars on my storm then maybe some spacers under the oem risers which i like, all in black, i also like that the commander bars are 1 /18 or larger bars look better suited to the bike.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Apr 2015 - 03:01 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: edmontonstorm) | | | Best I can do until sunup...
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| | | Swagger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,100 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 20 Apr 2015 - 06:28 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | | | Suits the bike. They look really good from here. That's a pretty impressive place where you're at.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Apr 2015 - 22:12 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: Swagger) | | | Thanks Swagger! Was a huge improvement in comfort on long rides and solves all the problems; raising tank, bar ends, etc. _Really_ glad Triumph saw fit to add enough extra electrical cable to make it possible.
Some truly spectacular scenery around here, true. Only wish CA wasn't such an onerous place to live.
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| | | belac | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/05/2015 | | Posts | : | 7 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 18 May 2015 - 04:37 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | | | If you dont mind me asking, how tall are you?
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 May 2015 - 14:16 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: belac) | | | 6'1" - Tried Deuce risers (helped a bit), T-bars (same or worse, nice look tho), metric Road Glide bars work.
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| | | satch1961 | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/09/2013 | | Posts | : | 583 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 09 Jun 2015 - 20:37 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: mag10) | | | Mags... I am curious to hear more about your barsnake. Do you have the original TBird bars? I hear that a snake won't go through the bird bars because weights are welded inside and the snake won' t pass through...
Can you confirm? Thanks
| 2010 1600 with 1700 cams; V4 custom tune; hi-flow filter; short TORS; rivco risers with spacers. Decat with elbows and baffles
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| | | satch1961 | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/09/2013 | | Posts | : | 583 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Jul 2015 - 23:39 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: mag10) | | | Mag... sounds like you were dealing with a vibration issue? I get vibes in the right hand depending on my speed and tune. If I am doing 80 to 85 for a length of time on the interstate my right hand takes a beating. I hate to have to chop out my bars but I am wondering how your "bar surgery" went and did it help with the vibes. Thanks
| 2010 1600 with 1700 cams; V4 custom tune; hi-flow filter; short TORS; rivco risers with spacers. Decat with elbows and baffles
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| | | GazooAZ | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/01/2021 | | Posts | : | 10 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 10 Mar 2021 - 12:52 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | | |
MotorMac wrote:
New bars are on, wired with stock grips and bar ends, extended clutch and throttle cables, all good until I found extended front brake line was still 2" short. Removed front brake manifold, cut off tube to master cylinder, drilled it out and brazed a new .25" dia. steel line with flare fitting to replace it. That allowed a 24" Goodridge brake line to master cylinder. Will post pics of new bars in situ when I can.
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Did you use the Triumph extended cable kit?
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 10 Mar 2021 - 13:25 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: GazooAZ) | | | Nice job, I just installed rivco risers, I had to reroute the throttle cables behind the triple tree, brake line is a bit tight but not a problem.
It was a good fix for back strain
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Mar 2021 - 17:19 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: GazooAZ) | | | Hi gazooAZ-
Yes, extended clutch cable, throttle cables are easy enough to make. Doubt if kit is still available.
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| | | GazooAZ | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/01/2021 | | Posts | : | 10 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Mar 2021 - 17:36 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: MotorMac) | |
| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,787 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Mar 2021 - 20:42 Post title : Re: Handlebars, grips and bar ends (Re: GazooAZ) | | | You're very welcome! That's what we're here for....
If it helps any, there were two extended cable kits: A9638069 had a brake line with the fork leg junction, and A9638072 had a brake line to master cylinder.
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